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fandomtownies2020-09-17 09:01 am
fates_jaye) wrote in fandomtownies2020-09-17 09:01 am
Community Center class- Philosophy 101- Thursday evening
"Today I've decided to give you all a crisis by talking about determinism and free will," Jaye began class. "Determinism is the idea that there are other forces guiding our lives- fate, destiny, God, what have you- and that were basically just doing what they've decided. Free Will is just us doing what we want. You can break this down more: there's casual determinism, which means that our decisions and actions are links in a predetermined chain that depends on us acting a certain way, and that none of our actions are actually self-caused. Predeterminism is the thought that everything has been determined in advance, fatalism is thinking that it's all out of our hands and none of our decisions actually matter, et cetera."
Jaye, as someone who had to listen to inanimate objects only she could hear tell her to do things or bad things would happen, had some very confusing thoughts on all of this. She was not sharing.
"So. Do you agree that it's all out of our hands and we're just puppets, or is that just letting people off the hook for sucking? And if someone says everything happens for a reason, are they just trying to make themselves feel better?"
Jaye, as someone who had to listen to inanimate objects only she could hear tell her to do things or bad things would happen, had some very confusing thoughts on all of this. She was not sharing.
"So. Do you agree that it's all out of our hands and we're just puppets, or is that just letting people off the hook for sucking? And if someone says everything happens for a reason, are they just trying to make themselves feel better?"
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Determinism. It's determinism.
"-and blah blah blah when it comes to humans," Eleanor said trying to keep her wits about this in class. "But I don't think it makes sense. I doubt determination-"
Determinism. Still determinism.
"-isn't guiding the fate of bugs, rodents, cats and dogs. Why it be affecting us?"
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Arguing about determinism for animals was much nicer than wondering if he was doomed to his own 'fate', okay?
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For Eleanor it's a reformed demon and sentient mainframe with all the knowledge of the universe. And they were doing it badly.
"I do what I want. I doubt there's anyone out there forcing me to drink horrible tasting shirt."
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He was 34. So from a teenage perspective, yes. Yes he was.
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Like any 18 year old she immediately assumed he was of the era before computers, sliced bread and TV.
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"The island hates a lot of people. You're the only one who says 'forking'."
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Still determinism.
"-that guides us all? Because I still don't get the bit where we lost all our clothes."
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Probably last one season and then get picked up by Netflix for two more.
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"Maybe someone's said that about the premise of your life," Duke mused.
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"I mean," he said, frowning. "I definitely think karma is a thing. That what we do in this life will affect how things go for us in the next one. Which means what we did in past lives is affecting how things go this time around. Which is . . . kind of a determinism kind of thing? But screw fate or whatever. Life may hand us crap, but we still decide what we're going to do with it."
That was going to be a little harder for him to say with such conviction after he got zapped into the past and found himself somehow managing to trigger his grandfather dying exactly the way he'd always been meant to or whatever. But for now, as a guy who had a supposed family legacy and destiny he was meant to play out, he was clinging to the idea of getting to say "no" with all his might.
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Just, like... look.
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